Chael Sonnen Juices

[cog]

Gotta disagree with all the guys saying that juicing doesn't help athletic performance....... in fighting anyways...... that would make MMA the only sport on earth that juicers would not benefit from.


At the very least Sonnen would have elevated levels of red blood cells, which would have increased his endurance and thus his performance. The other half of that is elevated test is the only thing he tested positive for, doesn't mean thats all he was taking.

Does AAS help people avoid punch's? Maybe not, but its the exact same analogy that Mark MacGuire used when he said AAS doesn't help you hit a round ball with a round bat....... maybe not, but when you do hit it it goes a lot further and what would have been a long fly ball becomes a homerun.
The numbers speak for themselves.

Victor Conte did a great post on another board regarding what he was giving Shane Mosely, and speculated what Manny Pachaio is likely taking, and how exactly how a fighter will benefit from AAS.
In his opinion the biggest benefit would be increased endurance.
Sonnens performance was due in part to his non-stop pace.

Agree.They wouldn't be using if they didn't feel it helped.Pachaio seems to have more than endurance though.Besides smart feet.

[grifter]

I agree that most UFC athletes are probably on something, and only the ones stupid enough to use something like Deca ( Like Sonnen ) get caught.

I don't think its OK though, a fighter on AAS is no different than a fighter who loads his gloves. You really think they're juicing to heal an injury faster or using some test just for a mental advantage?
They're ****ing using AAS to get an advantage in the ring or cage WHEN THEY FIGHT. You think Sonnen putting up a fight like that had nothing to do with him being on the juice?
You think you don't have an advantage when you fight a guy who's clean?
All I see here is someone trying to minimize and justify their own use..... I don't have a problem with AAS in bodybuilding or powerlifting, or just for normal guys doing it for kicks in the gym.
I do have a big problem with it in combat sports though....... It defeats the whole warrior mentality and mutual respect that fighters should have for each other.

For what it's worth, ancient fighters/gladiators apparently used different herbs/fruits/and animal parts to have a physical or mental advantages over their opponents. So is that any different really than fighters using AAS today?
Some warriors have better weapons, faster fire power, so do they have an unfair advantage?

Regardless these guys who are ''using" still have to train as hard as "clean" fighters. Also larger muscle may hinder fighters in their flexibility and aerobic level as bigger muscle needs more oxygen to sustain the workload.

There are pros and cons to using in the combat sports, everyone is looking for some kind of edge or advantage. If it works for them...good

[rob66679]

For what it's worth, ancient fighters/gladiators apparently used different herbs/fruits/and animal parts to have a physical or mental advantages over their opponents. So is that any different really than fighters using AAS today?
Some warriors have better weapons, faster fire power, so do they have an unfair advantage?

Regardless these guys who are ''using" still have to train as hard as "clean" fighters. Also larger muscle may hinder fighters in their flexibility and aerobic level as bigger muscle needs more oxygen to sustain the workload.

There are pros and cons to using in the combat sports, everyone is looking for some kind of edge or advantage. If it works for them...good

I don't know how the IOC decides what compounds are OK and what are not, but I guarantee you that the chemicals that athletes have access to today are a lot stronger than any time in history. It's different because a guy on herbs is not going to be anywhere near the level of a guy on a chemists regiment. And the clean guy is still clean, so the gap is even bigger.

Yeah guys on AAS train just as hard, probably harder..... just like Bodybuilding or Powerlifting... otherwise whats the point... I never said it was an easy way out, I'm saying its an unfair advantage.

If a guys using the right compounds, at the right dosages, and training in the right sport specific way, then larger muscles probably are not going to hinder..... Cmon lol..... actually making the argument that AAS hinders athletes? Pretty much every fighter I've seen test positive didn't gain any weight, and a lot of those didn't even look good..... James Toney and Josh barnett are prime examples.

I understand that people have been looking for an edge since the beginning of time, I just really hate it when guys on AAS portray themselves as natural superhumans when they had help.
We can look at old tapes of Ali or Babe Ruth and we know they were natural, 50 years from now we will never know about a lot of these guys. Their ego's are so ****in big ( Clemens or Bonds ) that they will lie and risk jail before they admit they cheated.
I know its the times we live in, but I still don't like liars or cheaters.... not supposed to be what sports all about.

[cog]

Sonnen gets the boot for his conviction on money laundering charges.

[rob66679]

Sonnen gets the boot for his conviction on money laundering charges.

I saw he got a reduced sentence for ratting out everybody else that was involved too.
What a class act he is.

[Praetorian]

85% of UFC fighters using some sort of performance enhancement is on the low side to be honest. It like the Olympics...its not who is using its who gets caught.
P

[rob66679]

85% of UFC fighters using some sort of performance enhancement is on the low side to be honest. It like the Olympics...its not who is using its who gets caught.
P

I agree with you completely.
You'd be surprised how many people will vehemently defend Pachaio in the boxing forums though. I really think some people don't want to use their heads sometimes.

[cog]

I agree with you completely.
You'd be surprised how many people will vehemently defend Pachaio in the boxing forums though. I really think some people don't want to use their heads sometimes.

So what apparently is he doing that the other guys are not?Maybe he just has a really hard head?He does put a lot into his punches.Isn't his footwork considered really good?

[mouth]

I think I've agreed with everything rob66679 has said. Nice job!

Also, wasn't Chael Sonnen running for the republican party in the states? I'm guessing THAT career is over.

[rob66679]

So what apparently is he doing that the other guys are not?Maybe he just has a really hard head?He does put a lot into his punches.Isn't his footwork considered really good?

IMHO most fighters are on something, so I guess hes just got better access to better drugs than everybody else lol.

I think the biggest thing about Pachaio is how he's taken his power with him as he's moved up in weight, nobodys ever been similar IMHO.
Most guys move up and try to outquick and outpoint bigger guys, Pachaio is walking through bigger guys beating them down.
Most guys his weight, at his age are in decline. He's gotten dramatically better, punch output has gone way up, faster than ever.