Canadian Steroid Laws

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Time to put this discussion to an end once and for all. Below is the exact crime and punishment for steroid offences in canada all in one place. I summed up all the important parts but you can find the full text here.
laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowFullDoc/cs/C-38.8///en

PART I
OFFENCES AND PUNISHMENT
Particular Offences

Possession of substance

4. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II or III. **note that there is no IV here**

Obtaining substance

(2) No person shall seek or obtain
(a) a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV, or

(b) an authorization to obtain a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV

from a practitioner, unless the person discloses to the practitioner particulars relating to the acquisition by the person of every substance in those Schedules, and of every authorization to obtain such substances, from any other practitioner within the preceding thirty days.

Punishment


(7) Every person who contravenes subsection (2)

(iv) to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months, where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV; or

(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable

(i) for a first offence, to a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or to both, and

(ii) for a subsequent offence, to a fine not exceeding two thousand dollars or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year, or to both.


Trafficking in substance

5. (1) No person shall traffic in a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV or in any substance represented or held out by that person to be such a substance.

Possession for purpose of trafficking

(2) No person shall, for the purpose of trafficking, possess a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV.
Punishment

(c) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV,

(i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or

(ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.


Importing and exporting

6. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall import into Canada or export from Canada a substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV, V or VI.

Possession for the purpose of exporting

(2) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall possess a substance included in Schedule I, II, III, IV, V or VI for the purpose of exporting it from Canada.
Punishment

3) Every person who contravenes subsection (1) or (2)
c) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV or V,

(i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or

(ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.


Production of substance

7. (1) Except as authorized under the regulations, no person shall produce a substance included in Schedule I, II, III or IV.

Punishment

(2) Every person who contravenes subsection (1)

(d) where the subject-matter of the offence is a substance included in Schedule IV,

(i) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding three years, or

(ii) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding one year.

[Kronis]

Yup, steroids are definitely illegal to buy, sell, or try to buy.

We're just lucky that most cops see it as a less offence than possessing marijuana and won't drag you through the muds like the U.S. Feds.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

True but the risk of something getting bad is still there. If they want to bust someone for importing 10 vials of sust from india, they are totally allowed to. But if someone is breaking a law, it is wise to know exactly what law they are breaking and what kind of punishment they can get.

Now if anyone can clarify exactly what summary conviction and indictable means (with example would be super). That is what actually shows you what the max sentence is for the crime.

[Strateg0s]

Steroid offenses for mere possession are going to be summary, meaning they'll get quickly resolved in court and the punishment will be more or less trivial. For manufacture or distributing/trafficking, the offenses are hybrid, meaning it is the prosecutor's discretion to push for it to be treated as a summary offense or an indictable one. The defendant's prior criminal background (or lack thereof) would have some influence on that decision, depending on what he was found to be involved in.

Speaking of all of this, has anyone heard word one about what happened in court to Illusion or xxx? I'd presume Illusion has been convicted and sentenced already, and that xxx trial is ongoing.

[Kronis]

Now if anyone can clarify exactly what summary conviction and indictable means (with example would be super). That is what actually shows you what the max sentence is for the crime.

In more basic terms Indictable = serious (sexual assault). Summary= minor (causing a disturbance).

It sounds like steroid convictions are hybrid offences, which mean the court/DA has the option on which level to charge you.

It's been a while since I looked at my public law texts but I think summary convictions carry a max punishment of $2000 and/or six months in jail, unless otherwise defined.

The wait times for pardon eligibility are different as well. I think it's 3 years for summary and maybe 5 for indictable.

As was said before about possession. If you happen to be really lucky and just happen to stumble across a personal amount of Sched. IV drugs then there's no offence committed by possessing them.

The onus would be on them to prove you bought them.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Yes, the above info is correct.

But therin lies the problem. If LE puts someone under investigation for importing or trafficking steroids, let's say for 1 year. They put a few guys on the job. So in 1 year the investigation sets them back maybe 100k - 250k. They will not be going after a summary conviction. It's not logically feasible to spend that much money for such a small charge/sentence. They'd go after everything possible like they did to illusion to justify the expense of the investigation.

I belive they'd only go after a summary conviction if they got "lucky" and happened upon a pack and did a controlled delivery or somone spilled the beans and gave them a gift. Other than that, I believe if they start an investigation, they are going after an indictement. It's only logical.

This is my opinion only.

[Kronis]

Yes, the above info is correct.

But therin lies the problem. If LE puts someone under investigation for importing or trafficking steroids, let's say for 1 year. They put a few guys on the job. So in 1 year the investigation sets them back maybe 100k - 250k. They will not be going after a summary conviction. It's not logically feasible to spend that much money for such a small charge/sentence. They'd go after everything possible like they did to illusion to justify the expense of the investigation.

I belive they'd only go after a summary conviction if they got "lucky" and happened upon a pack and did a controlled delivery or somone spilled the beans and gave them a gift. Other than that, I believe if they start an investigation, they are going after an indictement. It's only logical.

This is my opinion only.

I totally agree with the misallocation of resources regarding a summary conviction involving steroids, which is why I don't think they'd risk it unless they were fairly certain that the person they're investigating is a fairly good size source.

I think the only reason we see guys go down who aren't major street level dealers is when a) they get busted selling recs, b) somebody rolls.

This is why "cash in the mail" is so dangerous; and I guess western union could be dangerous as well if they know where it's sent to. I know people say e-gold wasn't safe, but I miss those days. It takes all of a few minutes to transfer funds through 10 different accounts and then organize a withdrawl.

Nobody should know a sources name or address; ever. It may lead to a few scams but it keeps everyone safer.

[MuSuLPhReAk]

Oh before I forget. While I was doing research on all this stuff, I came across some info I found rather interesting. It pertained to selling information about how to make drugs or something along those lines. It seems that by selling that information you are doing something illegal. I can't find that info again but if someone does, can you please post it in this thread.

[Mr Ontario]

Summary conviction 3 year wait period before you can start to apply for a pardon. Indictable 5 years. ++ The year or so that it takes to process your application. So you could be waiting 6 to 7 years before you have a clean record..which is a long time if you need clean record for a job.

Hopefully you will get a conditional discharge. lol where you don't need a pardon it's off your record in 3 years for free.

[megwell]

out of curiosity........... where does hgh fit in here?
I've been told that it's not even a shedule offense.