??? could you explain how the negative will injure you?Originally Posted by tiramisu
??? could you explain how the negative will injure you?
I use deadlift as a strength exercise. Triples, doubles and singles. I can't maintain good form on the negative and it screws with my lower and mid back.
It also gives me a back pump and makes it difficult for me to focus on strength.
I focus on the negative with my romanian deadlifts when I'm trying to tire out my hams and lower back on purpose.
negative wastes my energy.....cuz after i pull i will be doing heavy pull throughs or ghr or kettlebell swings.....id rather save my energy to maximize my assistance lifts.....
I would think that:
1. you should not be training to max every time you do dead lift, and those days you are not, you should be doing controlled positive and negative
2. negative aspect of working out should not be considered a waste of energy. I think it may be as important as the positive. I have read many articles that state the negative is what really builds muscle.
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8s17YIbSY this guy can control 837 pounds. Just sayin
4. save the dropping of the bar for the PL competition date
1. I deadlift once every 3 weeks so I see no problem with it being my max effort day.
Controlled negative on max effort day - I think not.
2. I'm pretty sure both tex and I stated this is a strength exercise for us rather than a bodybuilding exercise.
3. Konstantinov rocks like Maiden!
4. I personally don't drop the bar as it scares too many people and might ruin the bar but it's going down and I'm not going to fight for any kind of negative.
IF you are using deadlifts as a bodybuilding exercise then you have a point. Using 60-80% of you max and reps in the 12-15 range might very well make sense BUT...
I have other exercises for that. For ME the Deadlift and the Squat are STRENGTH exercises. Meanwhile I treat the Bench press as a bodybuilding exercise. Go figure.
I suppose you have your logic behind it, and of course there ar4e many ways. My mentality is that muscle makes strength, and getting a neg will build muscle, thus strength. My opinion of course, and I am no world class dead lifter. I would like to get Greg Doucette or the ****ing man KK to comment on it.
You may want to look at a few westside type templates that mix a speed day, a max effort day and an endurance day as part of the program rather than periodizing in phases.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with endurance type work, yes the negative does induce hypertrophy but both speed work and max effort work are a part of the strength equation.
I tend to walk the line between powerlifting and bodybuilding. I really find programs like DC and Dorian's version of HIT personally appealing. I also find Tate's 5/3/1 and Westside extremely appealing.
Seeing as I'll never be a successful competitive bodybuilder I can pretty much pick and choose what I want out of the strength sports. I like the powerclean and the snatch and use them as part of my lifting programs. If I ever get my shoulders unbuggered I'd love to play with some strongman routines but so far my joints are just too delicate for the manhandling kind of work that they like to do for play.
i lift for a combo of absolute strength and speed.....this equates to maximum poundage....i only do a full deadlift maybe once a month and it is always to a 1rm ( i do speed pulls twice a month with 60-75% of my max).....as far as saving the droppin for comp date...well you cant drop it at comp....negative needs to "appear" to be controlled....now for good mornings I will use a super controlled negative cuz otherwise id be leaving the gym on a stretcher
wheres the viiiiiiiiiiiiiiiddddd.......
I'm really starting to like this place.
p.s. must spread some green around before giving to L3 again. LMAO.
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