Cycle length and dosages

[tiramisu]

Counter productive to maintaining your health?

I have yet to lose significant musle mass or strength post cycle. Good diet and training have sustained my muscular gains in each case so far. There is a little dip in strength mid way through pct that I have noticed but the recovery is pretty complete by the end. I assume much of this for me is the loss of excess water from the test.

If an individual is beyond their normal genetic limit for muscular mass/strength then removing the aas from the body will indeed result in an overall loss of muscle mass and strength over time but if diet and training are good this would be a long slow decline as opposed to some overnight magical disappearance of 50 pounds of muscle.

The real secret to significant muscle mass is not drugs. It's careful selection of your parents combined with excellent diet and training. The drugs certainly move things along faster but if you don't have the genes, the training, and the diet, the drugs aren't going to get you to a point where being on for 2 years or longer is even justifiable.

By justifiable I mean that you could rationalize risking your health for an IFBB pro card and a career as a circus freak. I'm not sure this is actually a good reason to risk your health but at least it's an argument. The I want to be a heavily muscled gym rat so I'll just risk put my health at risk argument doesn't really strike me as "productive".

[PdH]

Wouldint coming off a cycle, even with a great PCT, still make you lose muscle mass and strength? To me, that seems counter productive.

If you do a proper PCT you'll maintain the majority of your gains. That said, you really should do some research. A lot of research.

[Memo]

I been using Cissus for my pct loss nothing so far.

[Victor85]

Well, by the sounds of it, everybody thinks that a long term cycle is a bad thing. I guess I got to reconsider my stance on my cycle. Maybe I will come off at the end of March. I appreciate everyones input.

[tiramisu]

Do some research both on pct and long cycles. You are going to want to get yourself some hcg asap and research swale's protocol. It will make the transition much easier than just jumping into nolva/clomid etc. I also recommend asking Praetorian in his thread what the most effective approach will be and provide him with dosages and time.

IF you really must do long cycles you REALLY REALLY REALLY need to find a sympathetic doctor willing to run blood work on you and ensure you aren't screwing up your hemocrit, cholesterol and a dozen other things. Research the appropriate blood work. You also need to track your blood pressure. Hypertension will crush you.

Or you can cycle on and off and manage your recovery appropriately.

I don't have a personal endocrinologist and it's just a hobby so my choice is pretty easy.

[daande]

PCT:
Weeks 1-2: 4000iu E3D Total of 20,000iu
Weeks 2-6: 50mg Clomid ED in morning
Weeks 2-6: 40mg Nolvadex ED Split into 2 doses

Thats what I would try...

[Victor85]

Thanxs for the info

[Memo]

PCT:
Weeks 1-2: 4000iu E3D Total of 20,000iu
Weeks 2-6: 50mg Clomid ED in morning
Weeks 2-6: 40mg Nolvadex ED Split into 2 doses

Thats what I would try...

he could use aromasin week 4-9 aswell

[vakker]

i think some people get hooked on roids to the point they cant quit, i have a friend who has been on for a year he comes off and doesnt do pct, he crashes and immediately goes back on its messed up but he wont listen to me when i tell him to get some nolva he just says "i know i know i should" then he comes off crashes gains shit loads of weight and right away back on

what else does this "friend" do?

[bruno]

2 years!!!! really? That is absolutely stupid!! You need some serious Pct bro...
You only get one body take care of it!!