Congrats Randy! BTW awesome legs, too bad you had to cover them!
Eric
Congrats Randy! BTW awesome legs, too bad you had to cover them!
Eric
“Strong people make other people stronger. They don’t put them down.”
"If success makes you arrogant, you haven’t really succeeded. If failure makes you determined, you haven’t really failed...''
haha, the leg compliments are almost haunting at this point..
I agree with your comments about RM being bigger and leaner. Apparently he is still too muscular/big to win the physique category. But too good to be anything other than second.Originally Posted by IronRobi
I wasn't at the show but the pictures of Johnny Doull show him to be nothing short of shredded and huge.
Was it that the winners were clear cut and the 2nd place on downwards were off? I think the results were: Johnny winning heavyweight, Mike GRay winning light heavy, Jay McDonald winning middle. and after that I have no idea.
Was it a good show?
edit: I think that I am hijacking this thread moving it in another topic. sorry about that.
Last edited by shortfatugly; 07-11-2013 at 11:38 AM.
Physique (men and women), figure, bikini, are WAY more subjective than bodybuilding. You can't just have the ideal physique and mean you are going to win. stage presence is about 80% of it. That's why there is such an incredible spectrum of types of bodies that do well in those divisions. People always ask for advice on how to improve their body to suit the division. They place 2nd to someone a little less conditioned and they assume the next show to get less ripped. It's the biggest mistake I've seen over the years especially in figure. The girls just said, OH the judges go for "this" today, its so confusing, etc.
When in reality stage presence determines success most often. Hard to figure out, but once you do, its a powerful tool. At that point you don't need to worry much about improving bodyparts, etc, since the effort needed to put it to make the change in your physique would have been trumped 100 fold by putting the same effort into perfecting stage presence. Some people are born with it, some people can practice to get it, and some people will just never get to that point. Personally I would likely never have had what it takes to pull of the physique stage presence. I would say Randy would agree that was the reason for 1st vs. 2nd when the first place had more experience in that type of light. Both arguably had pro body types - but its not really the body that separates the placings.
You're bang on here, Steve. Lucas was on another level with his stage presence. He's done modelling and the WBFF, so stage presence for men's physique was definitely his strength that day.
They posted the scores, Lucas had a 6 and I had an 11, third and fourth had 20's. This mean's two judges had me in third! Seeing the scores kind of bothered me because I wanted it to be closer, but the scores are only a reflection of what the NBPFA judges want, in a brand new category they have absolutely zero experience judging to my knowledge, and clearly didn't look at what is successful at the national level (see. Chris Gurunlian)... but I digress.
Lucas showed up drier and fuller at the night show, nailed his routine, and I'm happy for him and our training outfit.
I've sometimes questioned how they get the scores they get. It's supposed to be 7 judges, cancel high and low. And mathematically, I suppose to get 11, you would have had 2 1st, 2 2nd, an 3 3rds. Or possibly something like 5x2nd, 2x3rd. But when you really start writing it out, it gets hard to figure out what the judges really ranked you guys unless you had the scores (by judge) in front of you. Sometimes its a lot easier to figure out. In this case its very hard since you said 3rd and 4th were in the 20s. This means their average rank was 4 or more, meaning even those guys would have multiple 5s or 6s. And if that is true, you go back and try to figure out who might have had you first and if anyone did, why was their 2nd places not consistent between the overall scores. And then sometimes the scores really don't add up and you have to wonder if they didn't cancel high low at all, or maybe a judge had a missing score, etc.
Moral of the story, if you had you're hands on the scores you were clearly 2nd and a LOT closer to first than you were to 3rd, so it doesn't even matter if 1 or more had you third, because for all we know, the first place guy might have had a 4th and the 5th place guys might have had a first! It really would be the only way to see the scores you saw. Again, it goes to show its not body types that win shows, its stage presence. Chris won nationals, but even though I wasn't there I bet it had nothing to do with his body. at least 3/4 of the guys on stage in physique have a good enough physique to win. only 1-2 guys have everything else perfected TO win.
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