Libido/ED issues after dropping tren ace from cycle

[Want2lift]

I had read anything over 200mgs, basically anything higher then what would put you at the top end of normal. Would be nice to see some evidence on this topic.

[Hosehead]

I don't doubt that , but I have always read that test was pretty much necessary to maximize any gains from GH and IGF 1LR3 , whether you are dosing for fat loss, size or injury repair. I have never read anything specific on dosage though. Just waiting for Prae to chime in...............

[Hosehead]

[QUOTE=Want2lift;451583]I had read anything over 200mgs, basically anything higher then what would put you at the top end of normal. Would be nice to see some evidence on this topic.[/QUOT

I found one ten year old study that affirms what you said but it involves type 2 collagen and they studied the efficacy of stanazolol/deca/testosterone on dermal fybroblasts. Tendons/ligaments are 85-90% type 3 collagen so that study , which seems to be rehashed on a few different forums , isn't exactly conclusive. But I'd like to hear more on the topic soon as I am still on 500mg test e weekly and want to start my GH ASAP ! When I ran 2 IU daily before my meniscus surgery I was on test and deca. Probably 750/300.

[Praetorian]

Yes test over approx 200-300mg weekly can affect collagen synthesis. This can be overcome easily by adding in a lower dose of EQ which is probably the best at increasing levels. For GH I would suggest a low dose but longer duration ie 2iu with breakfast only. If you are going to add IGF-1 LR3 then you need to run it correctly or you are wasting time and money. The body attenuates to LR3 extremely quickly and this is only exaggerated if a higher dose is used. A dosage of 50mcg daily will cause attenuation in only a few days. Best results like anything ergogenic come from an optimum dose for an optimum duration. What has shown to be most effective is 10-12mcg twice daily...morning and post workout for 4 weeks then take 2 weeks off then 4 weeks on and another 2 weeks off then another 4 weeks on. This will give you 12 weeks on with little to no attenuation. I find that LR3 seems to work better when combined with GH...but that's anecdotal.

Deca and EQ will improve collagen synthesis and counter any test issues with it. EQ is a bit better but either will work. For joints and tendons what really helped me previously was Adequan but it seems to be hard to get theses days now that Canadians need a script to get it from the US...previously you did not.

Insulin will not really help the only reason you may want to use it would be to counter insulin resistance from prolonged GH use...however at the low 2iu dosage once per day I dont see that being an issue.

P

[Hosehead]

Yes test over approx 200-300mg weekly can affect collagen synthesis. This can be overcome easily by adding in a lower dose of EQ which is probably the best at increasing levels. For GH I would suggest a low dose but longer duration ie 2iu with breakfast only. If you are going to add IGF-1 LR3 then you need to run it correctly or you are wasting time and money. The body attenuates to LR3 extremely quickly and this is only exaggerated if a higher dose is used. A dosage of 50mcg daily will cause attenuation in only a few days. Best results like anything ergogenic come from an optimum dose for an optimum duration. What has shown to be most effective is 10-12mcg twice daily...morning and post workout for 4 weeks then take 2 weeks off then 4 weeks on and another 2 weeks off then another 4 weeks on. This will give you 12 weeks on with little to no attenuation. I find that LR3 seems to work better when combined with GH...but that's anecdotal.

Deca and EQ will improve collagen synthesis and counter any test issues with it. EQ is a bit better but either will work. For joints and tendons what really helped me previously was Adequan but it seems to be hard to get theses days now that Canadians need a script to get it from the US...previously you did not.

Insulin will not really help the only reason you may want to use it would be to counter insulin resistance from prolonged GH use...however at the low 2iu dosage once per day I dont see that being an issue.

P

Thanks Prae. I'll lower the test immediately. How much EQ do you consider to be a low dose ? Would it simply make more sense to do a full PCT at this point or just stick with a low trt test and eq ?

[Mr Pickles]

If you'll be getting your blood checked anyways, ask the doc to check your prolactin.

Mine is elevated from a psych medication and shut down my sex drive. Test was down to 150 as well.

Went off the medication, on bromo .5mg ED and after a few months, test was at 590 but still no sex drive. Prolactin, lower, but still high.

It sucks. I just got new insurance and they will pay for caber (the other company would not). Hofefully this will beat down the prolactin and get back normal.

[Praetorian]

IMO 200-300 a week i slow for EQ. I always recommend full PCT after a cycle if maintaining a healthy lipid profile and endocrine system is important to you. If you have determined that endo test levels are low and will not recover back to normal than TRT is fine.

Prolactin levels can suppress libido and make recovery difficult however keeping estrogen levels in check will generally prevent prolactin from becoming a problem.

P

[Odysseus]

... I always recommend full PCT after a cycle if maintaining a healthy lipid profile

I've always wondered - how do pros and other athletes who stay on close to year round maintain healthy cholesterol levels? Wouldn't their HDL be completely shot and their LDL through the roof? And how do they keep their immune systems strong when they're on for such a sustained period of time?

[Praetorian]

Depends on the person and also their diet. I have never had any cholesterol issues and have used on and off for many years. Nolvadex also keeps HDL in check at a relatively low dose daily. LDL generally doesnt rise too much if you watch your sugar intake.

P