Prop use

[scottlove]

Hey P. Long time, no talk. Just a quick question about propionate. I'm switching over from 4cc Enanthate/week to Prop. What amount of Propionate would I use eod so I don't suddenly drop off from my Enanthate use?

[Praetorian]

Id have to know the strength of each solution...volume doesnt tell me anything.

ie 250mg/ml for enanthate, 100mg/ml prop ?

P

[scottlove]

Actually you nailed it, 250 and 100.

[Praetorian]

If you are running 1g enanthate weekly...and switching to prop...not sure why you would do that but anyways...I would suggest 100mg ED of prop. ED injects will give you much more stable blood levels and taking the ester into consideration you should be fairly close to the same amount of actual test. You also should most likely wait 2 weeks after dropping the E to start the prop.

P

[scottlove]

If you are running 1g enanthate weekly...and switching to prop...not sure why you would do that but anyways...I would suggest 100mg ED of prop. ED injects will give you much more stable blood levels and taking the ester into consideration you should be fairly close to the same amount of actual test. You also should most likely wait 2 weeks after dropping the E to start the prop.

P

Thanks P. I'm doing it just to change things up a little bit? Have been feeling a little stalled and thought a different mixture might snap me out of it, even if only in my head.

[Sean Summers]

Makes no sense. Test is test.

Check this out:

http://steroidplot.com/

[scottlove]

Makes no sense. Test is test.

Check this out:

http://steroidplot.com/

Thanks, I like to make no sense. Everything I've ever read says that Enanthate and Cyp are interchangeable but Propionate is a little different, which is why you have to inject more frequently. What do I know? Look at you and look at me. That's an interesting website too, may come in handy one day. Thanks Sean.

[Sean Summers]

Test is test. The only difference is release rates. With prop you have to inject more often. It's in and out of you sooner than Enth and Cyp. You wanted the difference. There isn't for the test portion just he ester. You'll need to inject more often and also more volume as Prop is typically dosed less than Cyp or Enth. No need to get testy....LOL.

[Praetorian]

As SS says the only difference in test is the ester. The longer the ester the longer the half life. Cypionate has the longest ester followed by enanthate and then propionate. We will leave sustanon out of this discussion for now as it combines multiple esters. The other thing to keep in mind as well is the longer the ester the less actual test you get per ml. So with Cypionate at 250mg/ml you are not getting 250mg of testosterone because some of that is the ester. ie testosterone suspension 1ml = 100mg test, testosterone propionate 1ml= approx 74mg test, testosterone cypionate 200mg/ml= aprox 137mg test etc as you can see the longer the ester the more room it takes per unit of volume. As SS said the test itself is still test just attached to a different ester. What I do find however is that some people react to the different esters in different ways. Scientifically speaking there is no difference but I have always switched esters ie cyp to enanthate every 8 weeks or so...who know if it makes any difference for me its just what i do. As for prop because of the shorter ester less conversion to estrogen is seen and thus less water retention..this is why in the old days (80's and 90's) guys would switch from enanthate the first 8 weeks before a show to prop for the last 8 weeks. However nowadays with the advent of second and third generation anti aromatase's there is really no reason to do this. You can run enanthate or cypionate right to the day of the show as long as you run an AI such as arimidex or aromasin etc. Also over the years i can attest to prop being less effective in the off season because it does aromatize less this seems to lessen overall muscular gains...just what i have seen.

IMO prop is good at the beginning of a cycle in conjunction with a long ester test because it is faster in and can be stopped once the long ester builds up in the blood...apprx 5 weeks.

P