Tuna shakes and the versatility of tuna in general!

[Gib]

Tuna Patties!

Drain two cans of flaked tuna. Mix in two or three omega 3 eggs and a little less than a cup of oatmeal. You can add some fresh ground black pepper, cayene, curry powder, chili powder, cumin, basil, or other herb or spice, if you'd like. You can mix some shredded cheddar in, too, if you don't mind the fat... You could also substitute a couple of tablespoons of flax (or salba) for some of the oatmeal.

Fry it in olive oil until the egg is cooked.

Easy, healthy, and delicious.

That goes WAY better with turkey than tuna. Tuna is gross

[5151]

That goes WAY better with turkey than tuna. Tuna is gross

but cheap! cumin is the key to turkey burgers. according to my taste buds

[#8]

I once made a salmon milkshake because I ran out of protein powder and I wasnt in the mood to make a sandwich so.........

1 can canned salmon
2 cups milk
2 teaspoons chocolate syrup
handful of ice

In retrospect this was a HORRIBLE idea, and I almost puked trying to drink it. I did drink it and I feel manlier for having done so. Try it.....I DARE you....

[gordi]

That goes WAY better with turkey than tuna.

I love tuna, but turkey patties sound really good, too. Do you use ground turkey? Do you cook it first? The big advantage of tuna is ease of use. Just open the can and you're good to go.

I agree with 5151 that cumin is a great seasoning. Works great for tuna patties and I'm sure it would be great with turkey. Sesame seeds work great in those tuna patties, too.

[O-Train]

there is really no limit to how much your body can handle. the body seems to adapt to whatever you throw at it. what's best for protein synthesis is certainly debatable.[/QUOTE]

Where do you find this stuff? I have at least 2-3 textbooks that disagree. The body adapts but not to anything and everything. If you eat nails your body probably won't adapt to them very well...

There are actually upper limits on macronutrient uptake. They vary from person to person obviously but they exist. Eating 130g of protein in a shake isn't a great idea.

[waderow]

why, what could happen if you eat 130 grams of protein?

[O-Train]

why, what could happen if you eat 130 grams of protein?

Probably nothing, maybe constipation though. What I was trying to get at is it would be preferable to eat smaller amounts of protein more frequently.

I'm sure 5151 will argue this but eating 6 small meals is beneficial compared to 3 large meals. For starters. Large meals slow digestion. Also if you think about it. Food can only be absorbed through the walls of your intestines. There are also various transporters for different macronutrients but a smaller volume of food mixes better with the gastrointestinal juices and is more readily broken down and absorbed. So if you were to eat 6 meals containing 30g of protein (assuming the total volume is comparitively small) vs 1 meal containing 180g of protein. There is a good chance your body would be able to more readily utilize the protein from the smaller meals.

Now, getting back to the maximum protein per meal issue. As was previously mentioned, the body can adapt to intake and demand. So it is very likely that the intestines of a bodybuilder are capable of absorbing more protein than an average person. I guess a lot of it would depend on the source of the protein. 130g of whey protein would be much easier to digest and absorb than the large amount of meat you would need to yield the same amount of protein. Also the total volume of the meal is a factor, as is the fat content and the amount of fiber is also important.

So maybe it would work ok although the other thing you have to think about is daily protein requirement. (I can already tell 5151 is going to have a field day with this.) I've done some research previously. From what I gathered for a high-level natural athlete you need approximately 2g/kg of lean mass/day. So 1g/lb of lean mass is a safe estimate. So lets use Jonnyo as an example 240lbs 10%bf = 216g/day. The issue of course is that studies are not done using competitive bodybuilders. However, the discrepancy between what science believes is necessary to maintain a positive nitrogen balance and what someone eats in a day is quite large. So do you really need 130g of protein in one meal and can your body effectively utilize it? Maybe, but I wouldn't do it.

[5151]

there is really no limit to how much your body can handle. the body seems to adapt to whatever you throw at it. what's best for protein synthesis is certainly debatable.

Where do you find this stuff? I have at least 2-3 textbooks that disagree. The body adapts but not to anything and everything. If you eat nails your body probably won't adapt to them very well...

There are actually upper limits on macronutrient uptake. They vary from person to person obviously but they exist. Eating 130g of protein in a shake isn't a great idea.[/QUOTE]

I agree. I'm not saying 130g of protein in a shake is a good idea. In fact the shake posted in this thread is something I would consider a joke, bbers seem to have this weird idea that the harder things are the better. MY only issue with text books is they are often based on the RDA which let's face it is retarded.

I've got a longer response to your above post that I'll be back with. Some interesting abstracts/studies. Weird thing is I agree with most of it :O. I'll be sure to pick a few small points and argue semantics or something of the sort to inflate my e-ego, don't worry!

Off to the gym.

[JonnyO]

i don't think so. i know too much protein, and lack of carbs, fat etc, can be hard on kidneys, but when on 3000 calorie a day diets, I would think you are going to want at least 1000 calories of protein per day (250-300 grams).

It is recommended that the average person not exceed 30% of diet in protein as ketones develop, kidneys work to flush them, and ultimately dehydrate us and all kinds of bad shit.

but we're on roids, and lifting heavy 4 times a week or so. I do not know the ideal number, but I am thinking we should be about 40% protein, 40-50% carbs, and 10-20% fat as a percentage of calories

High protein being hard on the kidneys is an old wifes tale.

And an abundance of protein will prevent your body from producing ketones! And its impossible to get into ketosis with carbs in there.

[O-Train]

MY only issue with text books is they are often based on the RDA which let's face it is retarded.

I'm not sure how the numbers were measured and I'd have to search to find them. It was a medical physiology text and the numbers were maximum macronutient absorption/day. So I think protein was something like 600g, althogh apparently you can absorb literally kilograms of carbohydrates.