PCT help

[Hosehead]

Hey Prae. Here is the background . Basically I was on gear for two years straight with no proper PCT - just tapering and bridging with low dose between cycles. Stupid. My last cycle was deca and test and it came to a halt with my elbow injury. It's been two months since my last injection of 250 test. I am currently on day 17 of a 30 day

2000 hcg every third day until done
50mg clomid twice daily until done
.5 adex EOD until done

What do you think ? My balls are back but libido is low and some ED issues. Small loads too lol

[Praetorian]

Its quite common for libido to take some time to return. In the body all receptors can down regulate from over stimulation..running supra-physiological levels of androgen will eventually cause a down regulation(desensitization) of the androgen receptor hence why in most guys the majority of gains stop after 10-12 weeks of a cycle. Now think of the receptors necessary for libido being bombarded by very high levels of testosterone...over time these receptors get used to or adapt to that higher level. Now end the cycle and remove those androgens and the receptors are now dealing with much lower levels of test hence libido drops. Over time this will change as the receptors start to become more sensitive to testosterone just as insulin receptors upregulate when carb intake is reduced.

I have posted studies showing men who had been on aas for up to 5 years straight and all recovered after 12 weeks of PCT very similar to what you are running. I would expect it may take up to 10-12 weeks on your current PCT before you are fully recovered. From my latest research it does appear recovery happens much quicker with the addition of nolvadex 20mg ED and HMG 75iu 2-3 times weekly. I would reduce clomid to 50mg daily...that is more than enough at this point. Blood work should be done every month to check test levels, FSH levels, etc

Interesting info:

1. HCG and HMG combined work much better then either alone
2. Tamoxifen and Clomiphene combind work much better then either alone
3. High Prolactin and or estrogen levels severely hamper recovery
4. Libido takes time to recover but generally normalizes in a couple months


P

[Hosehead]

Its quite common for libido to take some time to return. In the body all receptors can down regulate from over stimulation..running supra-physiological levels of androgen will eventually cause a down regulation(desensitization) of the androgen receptor hence why in most guys the majority of gains stop after 10-12 weeks of a cycle. Now think of the receptors necessary for libido being bombarded by very high levels of testosterone...over time these receptors get used to or adapt to that higher level. Now end the cycle and remove those androgens and the receptors are now dealing with much lower levels of test hence libido drops. Over time this will change as the receptors start to become more sensitive to testosterone just as insulin receptors upregulate when carb intake is reduced.

I have posted studies showing men who had been on aas for up to 5 years straight and all recovered after 12 weeks of PCT very similar to what you are running. I would expect it may take up to 10-12 weeks on your current PCT before you are fully recovered. From my latest research it does appear recovery happens much quicker with the addition of nolvadex 20mg ED and HMG 75iu 2-3 times weekly. I would reduce clomid to 50mg daily...that is more than enough at this point. Blood work should be done every month to check test levels, FSH levels, etc

Interesting info:

1. HCG and HMG combined work much better then either alone
2. Tamoxifen and Clomiphene combind work much better then either alone
3. High Prolactin and or estrogen levels severely hamper recovery
4. Libido takes time to recover but generally normalizes in a couple months


P

So you are saying that my 30 day cycle is ok but it may be another 10-12 weeks before libido recovery ?

[Hosehead]

[QUOTE=Hosehead;452206]So you are saying that my 30 day cycle is ok but it may be another 10-12 weeks before libido recovery or should I extend the protocol with the addition of nolvadex ? I can't afford HMG right now.

[Praetorian]

My suggestion at this point is to add 20mg tamoxifen daily and reduce clomid to 50mg daily. To be fully recovered I am saying it may take 12 weeks total on PCT.

P

[Hosehead]

Hey Prae. I waited it out and didn't continue with the PCT due to the inability to get any HCG. My libido has come back and there are no functional issues but my loads are still small. I was put on Wellbutrin by my doc in order to combat depression so my guess is that it is partially responsible for things getting better. Would it be useful to try another 4 week PCT just in case or do you think I should be OK from this point on ? I was going to try a HRT 150mg test cycle just to get my regular 'on cycle' level of horniness. Getting morning wood all the time now.

[scottlove]

Hey Prae. I waited it out and didn't continue with the PCT due to the inability to get any HCG. My libido has come back and there are no functional issues but my loads are still small. I was put on Wellbutrin by my doc in order to combat depression so my guess is that it is partially responsible for things getting better. Would it be useful to try another 4 week PCT just in case or do you think I should be OK from this point on ? I was going to try a HRT 150mg test cycle just to get my regular 'on cycle' level of horniness. Getting morning wood all the time now.

Thanks Hosehead, I like reading about the size of your loads while I'm eating my dinner.

[Hosehead]

Thanks Hosehead, I like reading about the size of your loads while I'm eating my dinner.

Sorry bro. They ARE scary small.

[scottlove]

Sorry bro. They ARE scary small.

Stop whackin' it twice a day......give it a chance to build up.

[Want2lift]

Unless your trying to have a child I wouldn't worry. Just less odds of knocking someone up. And I doubt a partner would ever notice as long as your careful where it ends up.